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00:19 |
libertaar |
If bitcoin nodes eventually can only be run by companies, then the government may regulate them.... but it may not be possible to keep out competing currencies. |
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00:19 |
ArtForz |
just because you have a decent server on a fat pipe doesn't mean you're a company ;) |
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00:25 |
Diablo-D3 |
see |
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00:25 |
Diablo-D3 |
I wish I could sue anyone who uses the word regulate |
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00:25 |
Diablo-D3 |
regulate means to make regular |
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00:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
this is the usage our founding fathers used when they wrote the phrase "the government shall regulate commerce between states" |
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00:28 |
Diablo-D3 |
they didnt write "the government shall steal everything from you and give to the rich" |
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00:29 |
Kiba |
or the poor |
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00:29 |
MacRohard |
yea.. well the constitution is just a piece of paper |
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00:29 |
Kiba |
or anybody who have political connections |
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00:29 |
Diablo-D3 |
Kiba: see, I dont mind giving to those who are less fortunate |
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00:29 |
Diablo-D3 |
the government CAN regulate such things |
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00:30 |
Diablo-D3 |
how a society treats their poor is how a society is judged by future societies. |
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00:31 |
MacRohard |
or rather it's one of the more obvious ways to attack it and propagandize about why you're better |
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00:31 |
Kiba |
why would anybody have incentives to work if you can't accumlate wealth? |
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00:31 |
jrabbit |
charity is amoral though. |
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00:31 |
jrabbit |
using private property to allivieate the sins of private property |
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00:31 |
Kiba |
what sins of private property? |
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00:32 |
jrabbit |
its more moral than doing nothing but less moral than a real alternative |
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00:32 |
Kiba |
we should richly award those who have made society wealtheir |
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00:33 |
Diablo-D3 |
charity is neither amoral nor moral |
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00:33 |
Kiba |
and make poor people who take away wealth, like congressmen |
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00:33 |
Diablo-D3 |
"morals" cover the why, not the what |
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00:33 |
tcatm |
jgarzik: can i pull trades.zip more often than daily? |
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00:33 |
Diablo-D3 |
if you do it purely because you should, then its moral |
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00:33 |
Diablo-D3 |
if you're doing it for the express purpose to buy karma, then not only is it amoral, you're not going to get the karma either. |
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00:33 |
Kiba |
if you want to divide up wealth, Diablo-D3. Give them shares in corporations. |
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00:34 |
Diablo-D3 |
Kiba: I dont want to divide up wealth at all |
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00:34 |
Diablo-D3 |
wealth, itself, is worthless |
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00:34 |
Diablo-D3 |
having wealth does not make you wealthy in any useful sense. |
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00:34 |
Diablo-D3 |
its what you do with your life is what makes you wealthy |
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00:35 |
Diablo-D3 |
someone who is truly happy is far more wealthy than a rich person ever could be. |
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00:35 |
Kiba |
ah, a romantic |
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00:35 |
trickydicknixon |
bahy disconnected at home |
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00:35 |
Kiba |
bullshit, a happy person do nothing. |
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00:35 |
Diablo-D3 |
Kiba: not at all. |
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00:35 |
Diablo-D3 |
I am not a romantic |
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00:35 |
Diablo-D3 |
if I was, I wouldnt be anger personified. |
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00:35 |
ArtForz |
romantic? not really. |
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00:36 |
Diablo-D3 |
I just hate people who think money does something |
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00:36 |
Kiba |
wealth is not about money |
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00:36 |
Kiba |
it's about things you enjoy |
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00:36 |
Diablo-D3 |
for the things I want to do in life, with all the selfish trappings attached, there simply is not enough money on earth to do what I want. |
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00:36 |
Kiba |
I want to live forever, and so does I want for everybody else |
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00:37 |
ArtForz |
yep |
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00:37 |
Diablo-D3 |
living forever, kiba, would be the worst punishment imaginable. |
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00:37 |
ArtForz |
nah, just make it voluntary |
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00:37 |
Kiba |
worst? there is nothing in death. |
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00:37 |
Diablo-D3 |
there is less than nothing in life. |
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00:37 |
trickydicknixon |
kibaproperty is theft |
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00:37 |
Diablo-D3 |
for me, it'd be an upgrade. |
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00:38 |
ArtForz |
if you get really bored after a few millenia just visit your nearest suicide booth ;) |
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00:38 |
trickydicknixon |
a man isnt born poor |
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00:38 |
Diablo-D3 |
trickydicknixon: neither is a man born rich. |
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00:38 |
trickydicknixon |
a man is born with the collective wealth of our species |
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00:38 |
trickydicknixon |
the knlowege and technology |
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00:38 |
Diablo-D3 |
you know what pisses me off about the ultra-wealthy? |
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00:38 |
Diablo-D3 |
they do nothing with their money |
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00:39 |
Diablo-D3 |
it sits and rots. |
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00:39 |
Diablo-D3 |
what is the purpose of money if you do nothing with it? |
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00:39 |
trickydicknixon |
that and they accumulate wealth by ownership |
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00:39 |
Kiba |
Peter Thiel is doing something with his wealth |
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00:40 |
OneFixt |
As much as you may not like it, we do have to give everyone the freedom to do as he wishes with his wealth. |
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00:40 |
Diablo-D3 |
the things I want in life cannot be bought |
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00:40 |
ArtForz |
yep |
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00:40 |
Diablo-D3 |
so, for me, wealth is nothing |
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00:40 |
ArtForz |
personal priorities differ |
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00:40 |
OneFixt |
then don't let it bother you, be happy =) |
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00:40 |
Diablo-D3 |
the things I want in life don't exist yet, and I may not live to see them. |
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00:41 |
OneFixt |
Some things that I want in life can't be bought because they're not FDA approved. Like real cheese. |
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00:41 |
Kiba |
Diablo-D3: if there's one thing worth dying for, it's immortality |
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00:41 |
Kiba |
I'll galdy go to war with deathist to defend the right to immortality |
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00:41 |
Diablo-D3 |
immortality in this form is a pointless thing |
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00:42 |
OneFixt |
Kiba: What's worth living for? |
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00:42 |
OneFixt |
That's the important question. |
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00:42 |
Kiba |
that's for each of us to decide. But I decided puzzles and problems are interesting |
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00:42 |
Kiba |
I think I would galdly work on shipping and logistic problems all day |
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00:42 |
OneFixt |
Sure, they are small versions of life itse.f |
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00:42 |
OneFixt |
itself* |
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00:45 |
trickydicknixon |
kiba i dont like violence against the commons |
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00:45 |
Kiba |
trickydicknixon: what are yyou? a commie? What do you see in bitcoins? |
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00:46 |
trickydicknixon |
no corporate control. |
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00:46 |
MacRohard |
how about some other form of control? |
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00:47 |
Kiba |
people should have the right to form voluntary association |
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00:48 |
Kiba |
if that mean forming corporations, then so be it |
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00:48 |
MacRohard |
i'm not sure that corporations are really an important part of existing human control/power configurations anyway. They're sometimes used as tools, but you could easily get rid of them and things could continue much as ever. |
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00:48 |
Kiba |
BUT the right of individuals should be protected |
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00:49 |
trickydicknixon |
voulantary doesnt mean much to you |
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00:49 |
Kiba |
corporations as they are now creatures of the state |
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00:49 |
Kiba |
trickydicknixon: based on what? |
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00:49 |
Kiba |
raping the commons? |
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00:49 |
Kiba |
the best way to protect the commons is to be owned by somebody |
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00:50 |
Kiba |
n0body in the ocean own the fisheries |
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00:50 |
Kiba |
it get raped |
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00:50 |
Kiba |
until there is no moar |
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00:50 |
trickydicknixon |
well you can pretend that libertarianism predicates capitalism but the truth of the matter is the more liberty outside the state the closer we are to a communal state |
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00:50 |
trickydicknixon |
stats as in concept/ of being |
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00:50 |
Kiba |
I assure you, three years from now on, we'll have real corporations |
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00:51 |
Kiba |
but also mutual aid association |
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00:51 |
Kiba |
I did started one, btw |
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00:51 |
trickydicknixon |
ownership is not and cannot be the solution to ownership kiba |
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00:51 |
Kiba |
BUT, I think the organizations suck |
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00:51 |
trickydicknixon |
its not logically posibile |
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00:51 |
theymos |
If 99% of people want to live in communism, they can feel free. As long as they leave me alone about it. |
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00:51 |
Kiba |
trickydicknixon: you own bitcoins now |
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00:51 |
OneFixt |
stewardship is the "solution" to ownership |
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00:51 |
Kiba |
on the contary, ownership is the solution to 99% of the problems out there |
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00:53 |
MacRohard |
nah. if you want to control something that you don't currently control and it's owned by someone else then you agitate for stewardship. If it is under stewardship then you agitate for it to be sold to you. |
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00:54 |
trickydicknixon |
im quite aware that in a system of capitalism and private property its hard to not commit acts of violence |
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00:54 |
Kiba |
trickydicknixon: hahaha |
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00:54 |
Kiba |
I don't commit acts of violence |
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00:54 |
OneFixt |
MacRohard: Something like that =) |
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00:54 |
Kiba |
have you seen anybody commiting act of violences in the bitcoin community? |
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00:54 |
Kiba |
I did warns a guy that I am not doing business with him. |
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00:54 |
trickydicknixon |
... |
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00:55 |
trickydicknixon |
you don't get the ideea that you think violence is limited to physical brutality |
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00:55 |
Kiba |
I am quite serious about people who commit unjustified accuscation against people. It's posioning the well of the community |
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00:55 |
Kiba |
trickydicknixon: brutuality in the form of taxes, yeah. |
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00:55 |
OneFixt |
Fair enough trickydicknixon, but in a communistic/socialistic system it's hard not to steal. |
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00:56 |
trickydicknixon |
violence is unilateral |
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00:56 |
trickydicknixon |
OneFixt: well in the context of really existing socialism, yes |
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00:56 |
Kiba |
there is no socialism in the bitcoin community |
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00:56 |
Kiba |
there is only voluntarism |
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00:57 |
trickydicknixon |
because the state becomes an issue |
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00:57 |
OneFixt |
In the USSR, it became common practice to take things from the workplace to the point that it wasn't even considered stealing. |
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00:57 |
OneFixt |
Which, of course, it was. |
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00:58 |
MacRohard |
yea. i've heard loas of stories about taking broken lightbulbs to work an switching them for wokring ones |
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00:58 |
trickydicknixon |
OneFixt: well ofc thats what i like to call RES not socialism as disucussed but state capitalism (degeneated workers state) |
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00:58 |
jrabbit |
is trickydicknixon |
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00:59 |
MacRohard |
really though, i don't see that humans will have much value in the near future so we're almost certain to return to communism as work will become seperated from entitlement |
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00:59 |
OneFixt |
trickydicknixon: I suppose that we can say then that what we have right now isn't actually Capitalism nor is it Democracy or a Republic. |
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00:59 |
jrabbit |
OneFixt: well of course there are msotly mixed economies. |
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01:00 |
OneFixt |
The problem tends to be that people take "sysem X" and call it Capitalism or Democracy or Socialism. |
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01:00 |
OneFixt |
And when "system X" kills a million people and enslaves 100 million more, we don't blame "system X" but blame Cablitalism or Democracy or Socialism. |
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01:00 |
OneFixt |
It's a little bit like saying that God doesn't exist because Religion makes no sense. |
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01:01 |
Diablo-D3 |
yeah |
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01:01 |
Diablo-D3 |
God exists independently of Religion |
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01:01 |
jrabbit |
Lol. |
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01:01 |
jrabbit |
I won't go there |
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01:01 |
OneFixt |
And independently of the word God. |
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01:01 |
Diablo-D3 |
especially since Religion comes from what gave us Science |
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01:01 |
OneFixt |
Call it energy if you will, call it whatever does make sense. |
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01:02 |
jrabbit |
ratinoalism makes me sick. |
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01:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
it was a group of people trying to understand the universe in terms people could understand |
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01:02 |
jrabbit |
I won't even pretend to play that game |
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01:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
Science approaches the problem from the other side |
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01:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
take what we know, and understand that further. |
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01:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
Eventually, Science will come to know the face of God, if He does indeed exist. |
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01:02 |
jrabbit |
mutters something about ideology |
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01:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
and God will either be pleased or non-plussed. |
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01:03 |
MacRohard |
religion is a means of control.. it's just a kind of governance. science is used similarly. |
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01:03 |
Diablo-D3 |
and the Religious whackos will be pissed |
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01:03 |
Diablo-D3 |
MacRohard: depends how you define religion |
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01:03 |
Diablo-D3 |
if you define it in the Christian sense of the Old Testament, then yes, it is a way of control |
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01:03 |
LobsterMan |
organized religion has been nothing but a bane upon humanity |
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01:03 |
Diablo-D3 |
if you define it in Christian sense of the New Testament, then it is not |
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01:04 |
LobsterMan |
used to control and keep people living in fear |
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01:04 |
jrabbit |
LobsterMan: I know right |
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01:04 |
Diablo-D3 |
Jesus himself spoke out against the corruption of power. |
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01:04 |
OneFixt |
If you try to understand any one thing fully, you will understand everything. |
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01:04 |
jrabbit |
why the hell would you bring up religino when you want to discuss ethical modes of being |
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01:04 |
Diablo-D3 |
Jesus raged against the machine |
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01:04 |
MacRohard |
Diablo-D3, sure - as long as it's not the 'right' power |
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01:04 |
Diablo-D3 |
and the machine ran him over. |
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01:04 |
LobsterMan |
jesus was a legit dude and so are his teachings, but the catholic church has retarded the original meanings of the word of jesus |
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01:04 |
MacRohard |
Diablo-D3, but it turns out that power is always right |
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01:04 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: the catholic church is what jesus warned us about. |
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01:04 |
LobsterMan |
the church keeps people obedient, docile, and scared of "hell" |
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01:04 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: in Jesus's day, it was the centralized jewish religion |
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01:05 |
OneFixt |
Cycles. |
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01:05 |
jrabbit |
LobsterMan: of course religion aligns with power. |
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01:05 |
Diablo-D3 |
but every day and age has their own religion that hoards power and money |
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01:05 |
LobsterMan |
i don't trust the zionists either ^+^ |
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01:05 |
OneFixt |
Environmentalism is the new religion. |
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01:05 |
Diablo-D3 |
the jewish church of jesus's day has long since collapsed |
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01:05 |
LobsterMan |
i adhere to the church of the flying spaghetti monster |
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01:05 |
Diablo-D3 |
the catholic church grew up in that power vacuum |
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01:06 |
jrabbit |
OneFixt: I can somewhat agree with that |
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01:06 |
ArtForz |
OneFixt: kinda |
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01:06 |
jrabbit |
its being peverted in the same ways |
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01:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
its insane, though, that Jesus may have actually been the Son of God.... because if you listen to what he said, its the wised shit ever |
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01:06 |
jrabbit |
its being involved in the economic systems of coersion as equally |
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01:06 |
OneFixt |
Of course every religion must be convincing in its own day and age. |
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01:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
Jesus might as well have said absolute power corrupts absolutely |
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01:06 |
OneFixt |
And Environmentalism just fits so well with the times that it may fool a lot of people. |
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01:07 |
Diablo-D3 |
because look how the Jews solved their problem |
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01:07 |
Diablo-D3 |
they killed him |
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01:07 |
MacRohard |
Diablo-D3, eh. this is prolly version 31234 of the bible.. they've had time to work out the bugs |
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01:07 |
jrabbit |
OneFixt: I mean its not exactly the same but it is ideology and it functions as such |
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01:07 |
ArtForz |
yep, you can turn pretty much any ideology into a religion |
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01:07 |
Diablo-D3 |
Jesus was "a terrorist" of the first century. |
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01:07 |
Diablo-D3 |
I mean, think about it |
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01:07 |
bitbot |
New news from bitcoinsvn: s_nakamoto committed revision 179 to the Bitcoin SVN repository, changing 2 files |
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01:07 |
LobsterMan |
jesus like the buddha was a very wise teacher |
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01:08 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: ironic you mention that |
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01:08 |
Diablo-D3 |
some buddist groups think jesus was another enlightened being |
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01:08 |
OneFixt |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXQsnkuBCM&has;_verified=1 |
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01:08 |
LobsterMan |
he preached forgiveness, unconditional love, non-judgmentalism |
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01:08 |
Diablo-D3 |
I think they're right |
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01:08 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: exactly |
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01:08 |
LobsterMan |
i think he was englightened too |
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01:08 |
Diablo-D3 |
Jesus was wise beyond his years |
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01:08 |
OneFixt |
jrabbit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXQsnkuBCM&has;_verified=1 speaks for itself - the fanatical side of this new 'religion' |
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01:08 |
Diablo-D3 |
I find it rather shameful there is no true Christian religion out there |
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01:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
this is why I don't go to church, or align myself with any religion |
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01:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
its all bullshit |
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01:09 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: Agreed, there are a lot of great things in real Christianity. |
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01:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
the Gnostics come close |
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01:09 |
LobsterMan |
"christians" are judgmental bigots |
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01:09 |
jrabbit |
OneFixt: I'll look later maybe |
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01:09 |
LobsterMan |
jesus would be disappointed :P |
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01:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
but their reinterpretation of God in the Old Testament is weird. |
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01:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: he would |
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01:10 |
LobsterMan |
i was raised as a roman catholic by my parents, it taught me that organized religion is bullshit |
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01:10 |
jrabbit |
OneFixt: the functioning ideology of global capitalism and green capitalism aren't the same as the green (party) movement though. |
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01:10 |
OneFixt |
Thankfully, we all have the ability to learn the things that religion is supposed to teach us. |
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01:10 |
OneFixt |
If we truly make it a personal priority. |
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01:10 |
jrabbit |
One is something trying to coax you to not take actiomn |
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01:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: but thats the whole thing |
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01:10 |
jrabbit |
the other is a form of action. |
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01:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
Jesus said organized religion IS bullshit |
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01:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
you CANNOT organize religion |
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01:11 |
jrabbit |
who the fuck cares what a jew in palestine said? |
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01:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
religion is your personal relationship with God |
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01:11 |
jgarzik |
tcatm: _you_ may pull trades.zip as often as you like |
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01:11 |
LobsterMan |
Diablo-D3 indeed |
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01:11 |
jgarzik |
tcatm: but I wanted to discourage -everyone- from doing so |
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01:11 |
LobsterMan |
i do believe in some sort of "god", but not in the sense of any kind of rule imposing creator like the old testament says |
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01:11 |
OneFixt |
jrabbit: Yeah we are always given two choices on the same topic, neither of which is the correct choice. |
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01:11 |
LobsterMan |
the old testament god was a pissy motherfucker |
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01:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: well, if the GNostics are right, the god of the old testament is not god |
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01:12 |
jrabbit |
OneFixt: not always two but yes ideology is generally used in that way you shoudl see zizek on ideology... |
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01:12 |
jrabbit |
it explains alot of this |
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01:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: instead, the god of the new testament is the real god |
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01:12 |
OneFixt |
jrabbit: Thanks, I'll watch it. |
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01:12 |
LobsterMan |
i still think the bible should be interpreted mostly allegorically and symbolically |
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01:12 |
LobsterMan |
not literally |
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01:13 |
LobsterMan |
if one chooses to take it seriously at all |
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01:13 |
LobsterMan |
lol |
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01:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: and the god of the old testament is equivilent to some combination of Chaos and Nyx from roman mythology |
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01:13 |
jrabbit |
Zoroaster > your sky god |
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01:13 |
LobsterMan |
zoroaster :3 |
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01:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: some sort of offspring of two angels, and hidden from the true god |
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01:14 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: If, for a moment, you clear your mind and ask yourself what God really is, you might find an answer. But only if you don't think about it. |
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01:14 |
jgarzik |
tcatm: as I noted in the forum post, it's stupid to download the "entire universe" at high frequency |
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01:14 |
jgarzik |
tcatm: but exceptions such as your case are perfectly fine |
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01:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: and this offspring, hidden away from the true reality, believed he was the creator of everything, and created Man in his image |
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01:14 |
ArtForz |
if that 10:10 short is real it's just epic fail. |
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01:15 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: Close! a |
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01:15 |
OneFixt |
And man keeps creating in the somewhat wrong image as well. |
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01:15 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: Jesus was sent here by that sub-God, but was hijacked by the true high God for His purposes |
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01:15 |
OneFixt |
ArtForz: It is, and it was. Very epic fail. |
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01:15 |
jgarzik |
whee |
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01:15 |
jgarzik |
version 0.3.15 is out |
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01:15 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: so yeah, the Gnostics have it really weird. |
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01:15 |
LobsterMan |
Diablo-D3 i choose to take a more agnostic view of the universe, i think that what is really going on "behind the scenes" so to say is beyond what any book or scientific prediction would indicate |
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01:16 |
jgarzik |
http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1780.0 |
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01:16 |
bitbot |
Version 0.3.15 |
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01:16 |
LobsterMan |
amd we just straight up don't know wtf |
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01:16 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: well, it doesnt matter what God really is |
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01:16 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: but most likely, the Universe was made in the image of God. |
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01:16 |
ArtForz |
fuck, that had to be a fucking PR miracle worker that sold them on that one |
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01:16 |
LobsterMan |
or....the universe is god :# |
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01:16 |
OneFixt |
LobsterMan: You may want to take a look at Remote Viewing. |
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01:16 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: or yes, the universe is god |
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01:16 |
LobsterMan |
astral projection? |
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01:16 |
LobsterMan |
:P |
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01:16 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: which would essentially be the same thing |
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01:17 |
OneFixt |
LobsterMan: not necessarily, there are several types. |
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01:17 |
LobsterMan |
i think carl sagan put it best when he said something along the lines of |
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01:17 |
ArtForz |
I've seen plenty of spots where you think "and someone actually thought this was a good idea and PAID for it?", but this one easily takes the cake |
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01:17 |
LobsterMan |
we are a tool created by the universe so that the universe may know itself |
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01:17 |
Diablo-D3 |
ArtForz: what video? |
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01:17 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: which is quite entirely possible |
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01:17 |
ArtForz |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXQsnkuBCM&has;_verified=1 |
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01:17 |
jgarzik |
interesting! |
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01:17 |
OneFixt |
ArtForz: I amuse myself by thinking that the person making this video was actually AGAINST the group for which he made it. But I think he was just not thinking. |
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01:17 |
jgarzik |
BitcoinMiner processes transactions in priority order based on age of dependencies |
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01:17 |
jgarzik |
neat |
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01:18 |
jgarzik |
wonders if GPU miners do that |
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01:18 |
ArtForz |
mine does |
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01:18 |
tcatm |
jgarzik: is a poll every 30mins okay? |
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01:18 |
jgarzik |
tcatm: sure |
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01:18 |
jgarzik |
tcatm: it's only 40k or so |
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01:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
wow |
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01:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
this video |
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01:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
it pisses me off |
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01:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
no one talks like that |
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01:19 |
jrabbit |
http://voltier.com/2010/11/12/reddits-astonishin-altruism/ this is just the beginning |
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01:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
the people in the UK should be pissed off at this |
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01:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
jrabbit: you must read HN |
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01:19 |
ArtForz |
independent thought, kill the heretics! |
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01:19 |
jrabbit |
Diablo-D3: mmhmmm |
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01:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
jrabbit: :D |
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01:19 |
LobsterMan |
altruism is something which baffles science and especially philosophy |
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01:20 |
LobsterMan |
modern academic philosophy is just a bunch of drivel imo |
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01:20 |
LobsterMan |
derp derp determinism derp |
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01:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS VIDEO? |
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01:20 |
jrabbit |
contiental philosophy |
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01:20 |
jrabbit |
derp |
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01:20 |
LobsterMan |
wut about quantum mechanics |
|
01:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
HOLY SHIT |
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01:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
THIS IS AWESOME |
|
01:21 |
Diablo-D3 |
its like watching a bad episode of doctor who! |
|
01:21 |
ArtForz |
either this video is epic fail, or epic win missing a tag |
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01:21 |
LobsterMan |
lol... |
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01:21 |
theymos |
ArtForz: How long have you been prioritizing based on age? |
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01:21 |
ArtForz |
a few days I think |
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01:22 |
ArtForz |
r176, right? |
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01:22 |
ArtForz |
4 days |
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01:22 |
Diablo-D3 |
they're going about this climate change shit wrong |
|
01:22 |
LobsterMan |
kkkarbon kkkredits |
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01:22 |
LobsterMan |
<_< |
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01:22 |
LobsterMan |
»_» |
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01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
I mean |
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01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
we're in the future right? |
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01:23 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: Climate inquisition. |
|
01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
this is now |
|
01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
the future. |
|
01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
we're in it. |
|
01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
its 2010 |
|
01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
this is the future. |
|
01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
which means we can change the goddamned fucking climate if we fucking say so |
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01:23 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: HAARP |
|
01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
it doesnt matter if its getting warmer because of us or not |
|
01:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
we can make it cooler. |
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01:23 |
LobsterMan |
haarp is some shit... |
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01:24 |
LobsterMan |
see here: |
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01:24 |
LobsterMan |
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message3.htm |
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01:24 |
jgarzik |
yes, SVN r176 |
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01:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
and it can be done by cutting carbon emissions |
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01:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
and the way you do that is |
|
01:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
STOP USING IT |
|
01:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
no more coal |
|
01:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
no more gas |
|
01:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
no more oil |
|
01:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
all electric. |
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01:24 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: See now you're getting somewhere. We can change a lot of things. And we certainly can gather zero-point energy without burning things. Ask why we don't and you'll understand how the world works. |
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01:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
OneFixt: the world doesnt work |
|
01:25 |
Diablo-D3 |
Ive been saying this for close to a decade |
|
01:25 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: It works for some people. |
|
01:25 |
Diablo-D3 |
if Obama, right now, said invade Saudi Arabia |
|
01:25 |
Diablo-D3 |
I'd be 100% behind it |
|
01:25 |
Diablo-D3 |
kill the largest terrorist organization on the planet before they kill us |
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01:25 |
OneFixt |
"The world doesn't work." Is actually a trap. |
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01:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
if it works for "some people", then, by definition, it doesnt work |
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01:26 |
OneFixt |
If you think it doens't work, if you think the people running things are incompetent, then you won't suspect how brilliant and efficient they actually are. |
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01:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
OneFixt: they're not efficient enough |
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01:26 |
LobsterMan |
lol Diablo-D3 allegedly saudi arabia has just blocked facebook |
|
01:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
which is the problem |
|
01:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
if you have poor people |
|
01:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
your system is inefficient |
|
01:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
if you have people not working at 100%, your system is inefficient. |
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01:27 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3 =) |
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01:27 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3 surely you will soon see |
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01:27 |
OneFixt |
that this is a farm |
|
01:27 |
OneFixt |
The farm works. |
|
01:27 |
OneFixt |
For the owners. |
|
01:27 |
Diablo-D3 |
OneFixt: not at all. |
|
01:27 |
Diablo-D3 |
the rich people exist because we allow them to |
|
01:27 |
OneFixt |
Rich != owners |
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01:28 |
Diablo-D3 |
what would they do if, tommorow, the USD was declared invalid? |
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01:28 |
OneFixt |
There are many levels, the rich are just one of those levels beyond which most people cannot see. |
|
01:28 |
Diablo-D3 |
the 10% richest people in the world would, overnight, become nobody. |
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01:28 |
Diablo-D3 |
they would be less than nobody. |
|
01:28 |
Diablo-D3 |
they would have less than nothing. |
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01:29 |
OneFixt |
Ordo ab Chao. |
|
01:29 |
OneFixt |
Something new would come from the resulting chaos, and you may not know ahead of time what that something would be. |
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01:29 |
OneFixt |
But there are people who would predict and guide the chaos into a new order. |
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01:29 |
Diablo-D3 |
thats a two edged coin |
|
01:29 |
Diablo-D3 |
er\ |
|
01:29 |
Diablo-D3 |
thats a two edged sword |
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01:29 |
OneFixt |
And unless you understand as much as they do, you may not end up where you think you will. |
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01:30 |
Diablo-D3 |
no one can predict the resulting new order |
|
01:30 |
OneFixt |
They can create it, have been creating it for hundreds of years. |
|
01:30 |
Diablo-D3 |
and your latin is bad |
|
01:30 |
Diablo-D3 |
its ordo ad chaos |
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01:30 |
OneFixt |
that's if it's "ad" |
|
01:30 |
OneFixt |
I said "ab" |
|
01:31 |
Diablo-D3 |
you'd want chaos ab ordo then |
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01:31 |
OneFixt |
ordo ab chao -> order from chaos |
|
01:32 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: Sorry I have to run. This is really getting to be a great conversation though so let's definitely continue it at some point. |
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01:33 |
Diablo-D3 |
yes |
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01:34 |
Diablo-D3 |
OneFixt: btw, you could just say staged events, which is closer to the Bush way of thinking you'd want |
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01:36 |
OneFixt |
Diablo-D3: Staged events are a neat way of phrasing it. You just have to add to that a very high level of complexity where each event has meaning on many different levels. |
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01:36 |
OneFixt |
ok, ttyl! |
|
01:59 |
tcatm |
bitcoincharts.com now has a market overview |
|
02:06 |
LobsterMan |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/ARS_Litchi_chinensis.jpg |
|
02:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
what is that? |
|
02:15 |
LobsterMan |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/ARS_Litchi_chinensis.jpg |
|
02:15 |
LobsterMan |
tasty fruit ^_^ |
|
02:15 |
LobsterMan |
err |
|
02:15 |
LobsterMan |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litchi |
|
02:15 |
LobsterMan |
that |
|
02:22 |
Diablo-D3 |
huh |
|
02:24 |
LobsterMan |
it is a litchi |
|
02:28 |
XxMalouinxX |
;;estimate |
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02:28 |
gribble |
Error: "estimate" is not a valid command. |
|
02:28 |
XxMalouinxX |
;estimate |
|
02:28 |
bitbot |
XxMalouinxX: LastDiff(4d 12:59:04 ago) ExpBlocks(653) ActualBlocks(927) TrgNewDiffDate(2010/11/23 12:29:28 GMT) EstNewDiffDate(2010/11/19 09:30:20 GMT) EstNewDiff(6439.8160819) |
|
02:38 |
nanotube |
hm, listtransactions hasn't made it into .15 eh... |
|
03:00 |
Teppy |
nanotube: You around? |
|
03:01 |
nanotube |
Teppy: o/ |
|
03:04 |
xelister |
hello |
|
03:04 |
xelister |
someone said radeons are good for generating? |
|
03:04 |
ArtForz |
yes |
|
03:04 |
nanotube |
xelister: yes a lot of people said that. :) |
|
03:05 |
xelister |
after moving nvidia -> radeon, it does not start at all |
|
03:05 |
xelister |
python poclbm.py ---> libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object ; /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/pyopencl/__init__.py", line 3 |
|
03:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
because I doubt you're doing it right |
|
03:06 |
xelister |
this exact problem is mentioned in forums, but I dont see a finall solution (also most of people there refer to windows version, which is identical, instead it says "missing DLL") |
|
03:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
add ati stream sdk to your ld library path first |
|
03:06 |
ArtForz |
"you're doing it wrong." |
|
03:06 |
LobsterMan |
m0m's miner works for me :P |
|
03:06 |
xelister |
works for me too, on nv |
|
03:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
DiabloMiner works for me. |
|
03:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: rtfm, srsly |
|
03:07 |
lfm |
LobsterMan, whats your cpu utilization for the gpu tasks? |
|
03:07 |
LobsterMan |
if i turn off cpu generation in bitcoin.exe my cpu usage is negligible |
|
03:07 |
LobsterMan |
less than 1% |
|
03:07 |
Diablo-D3 |
only if you use 2.1 |
|
03:08 |
xelister |
that ATI Stream SDK is even packed for ubuntu? |
|
03:08 |
lfm |
LobsterMan, bitcoin.exe? you're using mswin? thats your first mistake |
|
03:08 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: no, you download it |
|
03:09 |
LobsterMan |
:P |
|
03:09 |
LobsterMan |
it works for me |
|
03:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: and rtfm |
|
03:09 |
LobsterMan |
both poclbm.exe processes have less than 10mins of cpu time and theyve been open for a while |
|
03:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
there is no excuse for not rtfm |
|
03:09 |
xelister |
Diablo-D3: which fucking manual, there is none with poclbm |
|
03:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
for ati stream sdk. |
|
03:09 |
joe_1 |
are there any hosting solutions that accept bitcoins |
|
03:10 |
xelister |
which version of it works better with miner, 2.01 or 2.1 |
|
03:10 |
lfm |
sdk is for "software developers" its right there in the name |
|
03:10 |
xelister |
joe_1: mundavsomething and sharksomething, its on Trafers page on bitcoin.org |
|
03:10 |
joe_1 |
ok |
|
03:10 |
xelister |
* Trade |
|
03:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: you mean 2.1 or 2.2 |
|
03:10 |
theymos |
joe_1: https://vekja.net/ , https://www.kalyhost.com |
|
03:11 |
xelister |
Diablo-D3: so which version works best? its a single card setup |
|
03:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: 2.2 has a better compiler, but it uses whatever idle cpu time you have |
|
03:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
and since you're not using that cpu time anyhow, who cares |
|
03:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
and if you're going to use my miner, you need 2.2 anyhow |
|
03:12 |
xelister |
Diablo-D3: how your miner differs from m0's? |
|
03:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
mine runs faster. |
|
03:12 |
LobsterMan |
it's java |
|
03:12 |
LobsterMan |
and also doesn't work with nvidia cards :P |
|
03:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: no, it DOES work on nvidia cards |
|
03:13 |
LobsterMan |
in theory |
|
03:13 |
xelister |
how it can work faster, it uses other OpenCL program> |
|
03:13 |
LobsterMan |
not so much in practive XD |
|
03:13 |
LobsterMan |
practice* |
|
03:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: no, pretty much the same kernel, m0's host code is just inefficient |
|
03:13 |
xelister |
<_< |
|
03:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: on my 4850, I get 70mhash out of mine as tweaked as hard as I can, 66 max out of his |
|
03:13 |
LobsterMan |
Diablo-D3 is there any way to get yours to work on windows at present with an nvidia card? |
|
03:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: yes, use the beta drivers |
|
03:14 |
LobsterMan |
i thought you said they didn't actually have opencl 1.1? |
|
03:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
well, thats what someone in the thread said |
|
03:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
but nvidia's download page says otherwise |
|
03:14 |
LobsterMan |
hmm |
|
03:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
and since I neither own nvidia hardware nor use windows, I'm stuck somewhere between dont give a fuck and dont give a fuck. |
|
03:15 |
LobsterMan |
still got this sitting on my desktop but i'm kind of hesitant to try it |
|
03:15 |
LobsterMan |
devdriver_3.2_winvista-win7_64_260.61_general.exe |
|
03:15 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: you're going to get it eventually anyhow |
|
03:15 |
LobsterMan |
yeah |
|
03:15 |
LobsterMan |
as soon as nvidia gets off their ass |
|
03:15 |
LobsterMan |
could be a while lol |
|
03:16 |
xelister |
6. Government End Users. If you are acquiring the Software on behalf of any unit or agency of the United States Government, [...] "RESTRICTED RIGHTS". Use, duplication, or disclosure by the Government is subject to restrictions as set forth in DFARS 227.7202-1(a) and 227.7202-3(a) (1995), DFARS 252.227-7013(c)(1)(ii) (Oct 1988), FAR 12.212(a)(1995), FAR 52.227-1 |
|
03:16 |
xelister |
^-- part of SDK's EULA. |
|
03:16 |
xelister |
hehe americans and their silly laws |
|
03:17 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: yeah, its kind of scary when you have to indemnify yourself against the government |
|
03:17 |
Diablo-D3 |
dude |
|
03:17 |
Diablo-D3 |
at least we HAVE laws |
|
03:17 |
xelister |
as set forth in DFARS 227.7202-1(a) |
|
03:17 |
LobsterMan |
hahahaha |
|
03:17 |
Diablo-D3 |
in other countries, they just take your employees hostage and execute them |
|
03:17 |
LobsterMan |
Diablo-D3 :P |
|
03:17 |
xelister |
hihi DFARTS 227.7202 |
|
03:17 |
xelister |
Diablo-D3: perhaps in china |
|
03:17 |
Diablo-D3 |
they do that in china and saudi arabia and other backwards places |
|
03:17 |
xelister |
Diablo-D3: there is plenty of places other then usa that are not 3rd world |
|
03:18 |
xelister |
there are alos places much better to live in then USA, probably switzerland etc |
|
03:18 |
Diablo-D3 |
those other places are very very small |
|
03:18 |
xelister |
lol |
|
03:18 |
xelister |
what? |
|
03:18 |
Diablo-D3 |
also. I suspect there is matching language for euro countries somewhere in that eula |
|
03:19 |
xelister |
like entire europe and other places including totall size (citizens) bigger then entire usa |
|
03:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister: lolno. |
|
03:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
the EU is tinly little spec. |
|
03:19 |
xelister |
EU is little? |
|
03:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
LEETLE |
|
03:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
CRUSH LIKE A BUG |
|
03:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
WHA-HA-HA-HA-HA |
|
03:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
wait, now I sound like the soviet union :< |
|
03:20 |
xelister |
population: 500.000.000 |
|
03:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
seriously though |
|
03:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
who the fuck cares what the eula says |
|
03:20 |
xelister |
USA population: 300.000.000 |
|
03:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
Ive been ignoring eulas since the dawn of time |
|
03:23 |
LobsterMan |
eulas are like the bible, people just skip to the end without reading and say i agree |
|
03:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
... I.... uh..... wow. |
|
03:23 |
xelister |
:] |
|
03:23 |
Diablo-D3 |
I am Count Sperm, and this affects me how? |
|
03:24 |
nanotube |
LobsterMan: lol |
|
03:25 |
LobsterMan |
:P |
|
03:28 |
tcatm |
bcm PecunixGAU has too many leading zeros :/ |
|
03:29 |
nanotube |
heh just wait for bitcoins to appreciate, and the problem will solve itself. :P |
|
03:29 |
Kiba |
when hell freezes over, bitcoins will be far more valuable than gold |
|
03:30 |
ArtForz |
just shift the decimal point right 3 places and call it milligau |
|
03:31 |
xelister |
LobsterMan: I dont actually see any manual in the downloaded SDK either. you just copy the unpacked bin/ and lib/ and include/ into /usr/ ? |
|
03:31 |
Kiba |
NOt even the federal reserves can beat a bunch of computer geeks, because computer geeks will inherit the earth! |
|
03:31 |
LobsterMan |
i'm not sure? |
|
03:31 |
xelister |
wait |
|
03:31 |
xelister |
Diablo-D3: ^ :) I dont actually see any manual in the downloaded SDK either. you just copy the unpacked bin/ and lib/ and include/ into /usr/ ? |
|
03:31 |
Kiba |
Bitcoins will inherit the earth! |
|
03:32 |
LobsterMan |
slaps xelister around with a heavy metal pole |
|
03:32 |
bitbot |
starts headbanging |
|
03:32 |
tcatm |
bitcoincharts.com now displays relative and absolute changes during last trading day |
|
03:32 |
LobsterMan |
Kiba i think you got that mixed up :P |
|
03:32 |
Kiba |
I do? |
|
03:33 |
LobsterMan |
from a rush song |
|
03:33 |
xelister |
tcatm: thaat is yours site? nice |
|
03:33 |
LobsterMan |
from 2112 i think |
|
03:33 |
LobsterMan |
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rush/2112_20119899.html |
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03:34 |
LobsterMan |
"and the meek shall inherit the earth" |
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03:34 |
LobsterMan |
:P |
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03:34 |
LobsterMan |
nevermind |
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03:34 |
xelister |
cuts LobsterMan with a big knife and grills fishdicks |
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03:34 |
LobsterMan |
:O |
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03:34 |
xelister |
or fishsticks, whatever :P |
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03:34 |
tcatm |
xelister: yes, I'm improving it whenever I have some spare time |
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03:35 |
LobsterMan |
fishdicks |
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03:35 |
LobsterMan |
XD |
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03:35 |
LobsterMan |
fish-dicks |
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03:35 |
LobsterMan |
hehehe |
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03:35 |
xelister |
that reminds me of Kanye West |
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03:36 |
LobsterMan |
oh lawd |
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03:36 |
LobsterMan |
gayfish |
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03:36 |
xelister |
speaking of gay |
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03:36 |
xelister |
why nvidia just worked and this radeon can't |
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03:36 |
LobsterMan |
lol |
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03:36 |
LobsterMan |
:\ |
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03:36 |
xelister |
*work as OpenCL with m0's miner / with pyopencl |
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03:37 |
xelister |
Diablo-D3: yea I have java and radeon, where to grab your miner to give it a try? |
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03:37 |
Diablo-D3 |
see the thread |
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03:45 |
joe_1 |
has anyone tried kalyhost and is it good |
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03:47 |
xelister_ |
well this sucks donkey balls |
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03:49 |
xelister_ |
nvidia beats radeon with JustWorkingness |
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03:50 |
xelister_ |
thanks for providing install instructions with stupid, ungoogable, unfindable PDF shit file, instead of a hmtl page |
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03:51 |
xelister_ |
also thanks assholes for not providing a simple install.sh or a README.txt in the actuall textfile |
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03:51 |
xelister_ |
;) |
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03:51 |
xelister_ |
(it was to ATI SDK guys, not bitcoin guys ofcourse) |
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03:52 |
tcatm |
unzip, settings a few environment vars, and it works? |
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03:52 |
tcatm |
s/ s// |
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03:52 |
xelister_ |
tcatm: that is my point |
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03:52 |
xelister_ |
10 minutes to google this shit PDF file, 15 seconds to do it |
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03:53 |
xelister_ |
or they could write install.sh with 3 "cp -ar" instructions, instead of devliperin a 5 PAGE PDF ;) |
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03:57 |
xelister_ |
joe_1: didn't tried |
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03:57 |
xelister_ |
joe_1: how is mullvad.net working for you? |
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03:58 |
joe_1 |
its good but incoming port is not port 80 |
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03:58 |
xelister_ |
joe_1: you can not unblock more ports, just one per host right? |
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03:59 |
joe_1 |
i think they will give you a few but they wont be port 80 |
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04:03 |
xelister_ |
tcatm: actually even after following the 5 page install "manual", the python m0's miner looks for .so.1 instead .so files... I can symlink it, but strange |
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04:07 |
xelister_ |
after following the manual and heaving /usr/ati-stream-sdk-v2.2-lnx64/lib/x86_64/libOpenCL.so{.1} in place finally and accessible by python, now m0's miner says: |
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04:07 |
xelister_ |
pyopencl.LogicError: clGetPlatformIDs failed: invalid/unknown error code |
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04:09 |
xelister_ |
ok, IDK problem. all works ;) |
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04:09 |
xelister_ |
*icd |
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04:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
Jesus christ. |
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04:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
Is it really fucking that hard to read the fucking manual |
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04:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
r. t. f. m. |
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04:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
DO IT |
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04:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
DO IT NOW |
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04:10 |
xelister_ |
Diablo-D3: It WORS |
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04:10 |
xelister_ |
WORKS |
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04:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
I still reserve my right to rage. |
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04:10 |
XxMalouinxX |
lol |
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04:10 |
xelister_ |
nvidia: 0 seconds fucking with it ; radeon: 1 h fucking with it |
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04:10 |
XxMalouinxX |
that D3 for you |
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04:10 |
xelister_ |
no, I have rage |
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04:10 |
xelister_ |
they should rename Radeon to RAGEON |
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04:10 |
XxMalouinxX |
HAHAHA |
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04:10 |
xelister_ |
<_< |
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04:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
1 hour? wtf? |
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04:10 |
xelister_ |
I can't install this shitty RAGEON !!!! |
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04:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
you unzip the fucking ati stream sdk |
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04:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
then you untar the icd in / |
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04:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
and then you set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the right value |
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04:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
AND ITS DONE |
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04:11 |
xelister_ |
nvidia didnt require me to uninstall no gay shit sdk from so unauthorized (crypto signed by ubuntu) site |
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04:11 |
xelister_ |
nor it required me to lick its balls, it just worked |
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04:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
"unauthorized" |
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04:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
lololol |
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04:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
fail |
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04:11 |
xelister_ |
by my system vendor |
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04:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
"system vendor" |
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04:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
fail. |
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04:12 |
xelister_ |
ubuntu? |
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04:12 |
XxMalouinxX |
lol |
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04:12 |
xelister_ |
well, better then winblows |
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04:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
"ubuntu" |
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04:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
fail |
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04:12 |
xelister_ |
what you then recommend? |
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04:12 |
xelister_ |
fucking gnu hurd? |
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04:12 |
XxMalouinxX |
java ? ;) |
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04:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
debian, you douchebag. |
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04:12 |
xelister_ |
RAGEON 2.2 SUPPORTS HURD *NOW* |
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04:12 |
xelister_ |
=) |
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04:12 |
xelister_ |
(*) with a free copy of Duke Nukem Forever II |
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04:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
anyhow, AMD will be bundling the relevant libs with 10.12 |
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04:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
like nvidia does now |
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04:13 |
xelister_ |
(**) limited offer. DNFII is (c) by the name owner |
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04:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
the only reason they didnt is because they wern't ready for end users yet.... nvidia didnt give a fuck and has been fucking end users for at least a year |
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04:13 |
xelister_ |
XxMalouinxX: java? No man, I use my toaster for toasts only. |
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04:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
so, again, AMD > Nvidia |
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04:13 |
XxMalouinxX |
xelister_: tell that to D3 :P |
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04:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
yes, god forbid I write a miner in a language that is faster than python |
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04:14 |
xelister_ |
Diablo-D3: nvidia: 1 fuckin; amd: googling, installing not cryrpto verified shit and they didnt bothered to write 2 lines README.txt file with like: UNPACK TO /usr/, EXPORT VAR, UNPACK ICD, THATS IT |
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04:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
"not crypto verified" |
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04:14 |
xelister_ |
Diablo-D3: nvidia: 0 fuckin; amd: 1 hour fucking: googling, installing not cryrpto verified shit and they didnt bothered to write 2 lines README.txt file with like: UNPACK TO /usr/, EXPORT VAR, UNPACK ICD, THATS IT |
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04:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister_: why the fuck are you unpacking things to /usr? |
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04:14 |
Diablo-D3 |
you dont unpack the stream sdk in /usr. |
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04:15 |
xelister_ |
actually why not? |
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04:15 |
xelister_ |
yea it could be in /opt/ but me |
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04:15 |
xelister_ |
meh |
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04:15 |
Diablo-D3 |
because it'll conflict with shit when 10.12 ships |
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04:15 |
Diablo-D3 |
and it leaves shit all over the place |
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04:15 |
Diablo-D3 |
its not meant to be installed at all |
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04:15 |
xelister_ |
Diablo-D3: R T F M |
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04:15 |
xelister_ |
"1. Untar the SDK to a location of your choice." |
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04:16 |
xelister_ |
:> |
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04:16 |
XxMalouinxX |
return to fucking manufacturer ? =D |
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04:16 |
xelister_ |
of your choice |
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04:16 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister_: yes. and /usr isnt one of those choices. |
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04:16 |
xelister_ |
I choosen /usr/, now what motherfuckers |
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04:16 |
xelister_ |
:P |
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04:16 |
xelister_ |
hehe |
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04:16 |
xelister_ |
what was your choice Diablo-D3 |
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04:16 |
Diablo-D3 |
~/code, which has turned into a dir full of shit over the years. |
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04:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
I probably have 100gb worth of random shit in there |
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04:19 |
xelister_ |
[0] |
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04:19 |
xelister_ |
[1] |
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04:19 |
xelister_ |
lol wha? |
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04:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
start it with -d 1 |
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04:19 |
xelister_ |
I fucking know that, Diablo-D3 ;) |
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04:19 |
xelister_ |
but, Rageon sure goes out of its way to confused users |
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04:19 |
Diablo-D3 |
you're using 2.1 right? |
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04:20 |
xelister_ |
why name the GFX card Radeon, when you can anme it 'Junpier' at 0x2f40700 ;) |
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04:20 |
xelister_ |
2.2 |
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04:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
hmm, it should know the right name for that |
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04:20 |
xelister_ |
well it doesnt. Its a 5770 |
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04:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
btw, it IS named juniper |
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04:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
thats the actual name of the arch |
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04:20 |
xelister_ |
Diablo-D3: sure it is, still the users want to see name like Graphics Card, ot at least "Radeon" |
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04:21 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister_: not at all |
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04:21 |
xelister_ |
well that is actually not a problem, just saying, Rageon needs to get imho more habit of being userfriendly with small things like this |
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04:21 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister_: because end users _arent supposed to be selecting things here_ |
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04:21 |
Diablo-D3 |
m0 wrote it wrong |
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04:21 |
Diablo-D3 |
mine has no such bugs. |
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04:21 |
xelister_ |
well, anyway, its not an issue :) |
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04:22 |
Diablo-D3 |
mine selects everything thats not a cpu, and uses it. |
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04:22 |
xelister_ |
150 M motherfuckers |
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04:22 |
xelister_ |
ok then thats all |
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04:22 |
xelister_ |
at least it was fun :) |
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04:22 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister_: only 150? |
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04:22 |
xelister_ |
hits the bed |
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04:22 |
Diablo-D3 |
that seems low for some reason |
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04:22 |
xelister_ |
its not dedicated miner box |
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04:22 |
xelister_ |
bbl o/ |
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04:23 |
xelister_ |
btw in linux with radeon how you check gfx temperature, power, MHz etc? |
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04:23 |
tcatm |
aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt |
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04:23 |
tcatm |
and --odgc |
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04:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
hmm |
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04:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
thats not working right on my card |
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04:24 |
Diablo-D3 |
it says I have a temp of 64c |
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04:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
ArtForz: http://www.woodmann.com/collaborative/knowledge/index.php/Super-secret_debug_capabilities_of_AMD_processors_! |
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04:51 |
xelister_ |
radeon5770 (m0's miner) 152 M for 1fps-for-desktop 140M-150M for 30fps-for-desktop |
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04:51 |
xelister_ |
normal? |
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04:57 |
xelister_ |
Diablo-D3: 77C on mine |
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04:58 |
xelister_ |
66c is temp for 0 GPU load, are you sure your miner is running, Diablo-D3 |
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04:59 |
xelister_ |
radeon5770 users, do you get this 160M when OC or normal? Are you also using desktop on this box at that time? |
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05:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister_: this is on a 4850, and Im using a third party heatsink |
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05:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
its far higher than it should be |
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05:02 |
xelister_ |
ah |
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05:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
it should be around 45c |
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05:02 |
xelister_ |
what do you think about my quoted above results? |
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05:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
maybe mining pushes it harder |
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05:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
xelister_: ask art |
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05:02 |
Diablo-D3 |
he knows |
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05:02 |
xelister_ |
what speed you got at radeon4850? |
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05:05 |
Diablo-D3 |
around 70. |
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05:05 |
ArtForz |
stock 5770 using my miner gets 160M |
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05:06 |
xelister_ |
not 152 ? |
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05:06 |
ArtForz |
OCed to 1000 core 188M |
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05:06 |
ArtForz |
nope |
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05:06 |
ArtForz |
I'm using my custom miner, not m0s |
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05:06 |
xelister_ |
Im running also a normal desktop at this box, but 152 is max even with -f 1 |
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05:06 |
xelister_ |
ah |
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05:07 |
xelister_ |
did you changed the opencl program code? |
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05:07 |
ArtForz |
yep |
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05:07 |
xelister_ |
sharing it? |
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05:07 |
ArtForz |
actually my kernel is quite a bit older |
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05:08 |
ArtForz |
wouldnt help much, you'd have to completely revamp the host code as well |
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05:08 |
xelister_ |
sharing your miner? |
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05:12 |
ArtForz |
152 sounds right for m0s miner |
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05:12 |
xelister_ |
pretty please? |
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05:12 |
xelister_ |
puppy eyes |
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05:13 |
xelister_ |
;) |
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05:13 |
xelister_ |
tweaks m0's do do better stats |
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05:13 |
ArtForz |
theoretical peak for optimized bitcoinhash on a stock 5770 is 163.9Mh/s |
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05:15 |
ArtForz |
stock 5970 is 559.3, 5970 @ 910 is 702Mh/s |
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05:16 |
ArtForz |
my miner is getting 97.5 - 97.6% of peak |
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05:17 |
ArtForz |
I doubt it'll get much better without hand-optimizing the shader asm |
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05:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
ArtForz: yeah but |
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05:26 |
Diablo-D3 |
I should still get faster than 72 :< |
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05:28 |
ArtForz |
72? |
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05:29 |
ArtForz |
my calc says theoretical peak should be 78.66 |
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05:29 |
ArtForz |
getting more than 90% peak out of a 4xxx is a royal PITA |
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05:30 |
Diablo-D3 |
yeah but you'd get, what, 75? |
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05:30 |
ArtForz |
yeah |
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05:30 |
Diablo-D3 |
so I still have at least 4 to go |
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05:32 |
ArtForz |
honestly I dont get why you even bother with 4xxx |
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05:33 |
Diablo-D3 |
because I cant afford to buy a new card yet |
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05:34 |
Diablo-D3 |
and actually, its closer to around 71 =/ |
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05:35 |
Diablo-D3 |
ArtForz: btw, aticonfig says gpu load 98% |
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05:35 |
ArtForz |
so? |
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05:36 |
Diablo-D3 |
I assume its not true? |
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05:36 |
ArtForz |
usage doesnt count % of VLIW used |
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05:36 |
Diablo-D3 |
my mhash meter is reading 69.5 mhash atm |
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05:37 |
Diablo-D3 |
so that'd give me 71 max, right? |
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05:37 |
Diablo-D3 |
ArtForz: also bleh |
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05:37 |
Diablo-D3 |
so its not a useful number |
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05:37 |
ArtForz |
so if your T units are mostly sitting around doing nothing you get 80% peak perf @ 99% load |
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05:37 |
ArtForz |
(my peak numbers assume 100% utilization) |
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05:40 |
ArtForz |
not too sure how much loss clause boundarys cause |
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05:42 |
ArtForz |
load/store clauses should be "free" as afair those can execute in parallel to computation clauses |
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05:55 |
Keefe |
ArtForz: see pm? |
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06:08 |
dwdollar1 |
So this guy with an email address 'luciferkeylog@gmail.com' wants to join Bitcoin Market? Should I let him? |
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06:08 |
dwdollar1 |
j/k |
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06:08 |
noagendamarket |
lmao |
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06:09 |
dwdollar1 |
:-D |
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06:10 |
dwdollar1 |
You think they'd be a little more inconspicuous. |
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06:13 |
noagendamarket |
allyourbitcoinbelongtous@gmail.com ? |
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06:13 |
dwdollar1 |
lol |
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06:17 |
noagendamarket |
bitcoinphishing@gmail.com |
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06:17 |
noagendamarket |
lol |
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06:29 |
nanotube |
dwdollar1: hey, maybe he's the author of a keylogger software called "lucifer keylogger"... nothing wrong with that. |
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06:32 |
dwdollar1 |
Maybe... but a lot of the scammers used lucifer/devil/666 in their emails and usernames, so it leaves me skeptical. |
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06:32 |
Diablo-D3 |
heh, strange people |
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06:36 |
nanotube |
dwdollar1: heh ic ... |
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06:36 |
nanotube |
yea strange indeed. |
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06:36 |
nanotube |
s/strange/stupid/ :P |
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06:36 |
jgarzik |
dwdollar1: I was thinking that bitcoin-otc trust metric might be a useful guide for new registrants |
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06:40 |
dwdollar1 |
I will register anyone with a good rating on bitcoin-otc, although I suspect many of them already have an account on bitcoin market. |
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06:40 |
dwdollar1 |
I wonder if I can integrate it somehow into the website. |
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06:41 |
dwdollar1 |
Was developing a simple rating system myself. |
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06:41 |
theymos |
dwdollar1: Why not have invites? |
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06:41 |
dwdollar1 |
I will have that too. |
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06:42 |
dwdollar1 |
An invitation / rating system. |
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06:42 |
noagendamarket |
a snazzy button that shows your rating :) |
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06:42 |
theymos |
Will BCMv2 still be P2P, or will you hold money like MtGox? |
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06:44 |
dwdollar1 |
It's going to be both. I think I've got a system that will work. Orders will have a currency + processor. An automatic trade will have 'BitcoinMarket' as the processor. |
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06:44 |
nanotube |
dwdollar1: as far as linking into website: you could just link to a url of this form: http://trust.bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=nanotube |
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06:45 |
nanotube |
of course there's the problem of verification, namely that $user on your site doesn't claim someone else's nick on -otc.... |
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06:46 |
nanotube |
the otc trust is kinda still in its infancy... and irc-based only. |
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06:46 |
Diablo-D3 |
waits for fucking fsck. |
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06:49 |
dwdollar1 |
We could enforce some kind of username uniqueness upon registration at Bitcoin Market or Bitcoin-OTC. The -OTC could be the start of a community wide rating system. |
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06:50 |
theymos |
I hope BCMv2 is easy-to-use. I think most people use MtGox because it's easier than BCM. |
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06:50 |
LobsterMan |
http://www.newslobster.com/wp-content/uploads/flash/MormonJesus.swf |
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06:52 |
Diablo-D3 |
please say thats the mc hammer version |
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06:52 |
LobsterMan |
clicky ^ |
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06:52 |
Diablo-D3 |
is STILL waiting for fsck |
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06:56 |
LobsterMan |
also: http://pabst-blue-ribbon.ytmnd.com/ |
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07:08 |
Diablo-D3 |
LobsterMan: you know its fucked up when you realize joeseph smith was totally tripping balls |
|
07:08 |
LobsterMan |
lol |
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07:08 |
LobsterMan |
was he? |
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07:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
after heavy LSD abuse he believed God was really some sort of rainbow colored salamander |
|
07:09 |
LobsterMan |
i didnt think they had lsd in jospeph smith's day? |
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07:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
it was something |
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07:09 |
LobsterMan |
lsd wasn't discovered until the 1950s or something |
|
07:09 |
LobsterMan |
j.smith was alive in like 1880 |
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07:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
it was a hallucinigenic |
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07:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
he was tripping balls on it |
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07:11 |
LobsterMan |
ergot? |
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07:15 |
Diablo-D3 |
the interwebs isnt helping |
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07:15 |
LobsterMan |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot#Effects_on_humans_and_other_mammals |
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07:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
either way |
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07:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
he was out of his mind |
|
07:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
I dont know how the LDS Church is still around |
|
07:20 |
LobsterMan |
ignorance |
|
07:20 |
LobsterMan |
they prey on people |
|
07:20 |
Diablo-D3 |
yes, but people have wikipedia like everyone else |
|
07:20 |
LobsterMan |
one of my friends fell into the mormon trap |
|
07:21 |
LobsterMan |
he converted after his dad died, those sneaky fuckers go after people during rough times |
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07:21 |
theymos |
Scientology is still around. People like cults. |
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07:22 |
LobsterMan |
people are dumb, and the worthless degenerates that ahve nothing to offer to society like to feel needed and welcome by cults such as scientology and the "church" of latter day saints |
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07:22 |
nanotube |
Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider! --George Carlin |
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07:22 |
LobsterMan |
a bit of a callous statement perhaps......but true imo |
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07:37 |
Maccer |
Agroist up in hea'. |
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07:46 |
joe_1 |
has anyone used hostarium |
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07:55 |
Diablo-D3 |
I |
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08:04 |
joe_1 |
diablo |
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08:04 |
joe_1 |
you have used hostarium? |
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08:04 |
Diablo-D3 |
sorry, was cleaning keyboard |
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08:04 |
joe_1 |
o |
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08:04 |
nanotube |
haha |
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08:04 |
Diablo-D3 |
opens window |
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08:05 |
Diablo-D3 |
my magic isopropyl mix is too awesome |
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08:05 |
Diablo-D3 |
50% distilled water, 50% 90% isopropyl |
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08:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
its the same stuff you get in those tiny little spray bottles of monitor cleaner |
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08:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
except it costs me about $10 to make an entire gallon of it |
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08:06 |
nanotube |
so in other words... 45% isopropyl :) |
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08:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
nanotube: yes, but you have to get the really high purity stuff |
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08:06 |
Diablo-D3 |
otherwise they might be cutting it with things you dont want on your monitor |
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08:07 |
Diablo-D3 |
like acetone |
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08:07 |
nanotube |
mmm |
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08:09 |
Diablo-D3 |
its actually hilarious |
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08:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
they sell tiny bottles of this shit for like $5 to $10 |
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08:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
mere ounces |
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08:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
and I make entire gallon of it for that |
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08:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
and I dont think they make it as strong either |
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08:10 |
joe_1 |
u should sell bottles of it for bitcoins |
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08:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
joe_1: whats the point? |
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08:11 |
joe_1 |
to get money |
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08:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
I'd just be marking it up to the same amount retailers sell it for |
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08:13 |
joe_1 |
should i drop the 100 bitcoins for a kaly host vps? |
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08:14 |
joe_1 |
will they refund if it doesnt do what i need it to do |
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08:15 |
joe_1 |
i cant do hostarium because they are playing the whole "if you want to fund with bitcoins, email us so we can do it manually" game. |
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08:16 |
Diablo-D3 |
joe_1: dont blame them |
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08:16 |
Diablo-D3 |
theres no really good way of handling this yet |
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08:17 |
samfisher |
xelister_: back |
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11:40 |
noagendamarket |
#bitcoin-otc |
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11:42 |
noagendamarket |
#bitcoin-bc |
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12:06 |
joe_1 |
well, kalyhost is f****** broken |
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12:07 |
joe_1 |
just like everything else |
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12:33 |
ne0futur |
joe_1: what is your problem with kalyhost ? |
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12:34 |
MT`AwAy |
joe_1: ? |
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12:38 |
ne0futur |
(12:07) < joe_1> just like everything else |
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12:39 |
ne0futur |
joe_1: when you feel like everything is broken, try to think the only broken thing is probably yourself :p |
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12:48 |
joe_1 |
kalyhost will not allow me to register |
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12:49 |
joe_1 |
i enter a username, password, confirm password, and it tells me the username i have chosen is an invalid openid. Ha! |
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12:49 |
MT`AwAy |
joe_1: you have to put more than that (address/etc) |
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12:49 |
joe_1 |
I put it |
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12:49 |
joe_1 |
but that's on a different screen. that's when i look at my cart. |
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12:49 |
MT`AwAy |
http://en.wiki.kalyhost.com/wiki/Web_hosting_for_new_customers <- there's a video showing the order process |
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12:49 |
joe_1 |
i filled THAT form out, and clicked ok, and the same screen just reloaded again. |
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12:50 |
MT`AwAy |
mh, did you get logged in? |
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12:50 |
joe_1 |
no |
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12:50 |
MT`AwAy |
so it means something was wrong |
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12:51 |
MT`AwAy |
wrong fields are supposed to appear in red |
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12:51 |
joe_1 |
nothing was red, the passwords matched, i filled in each required field |
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12:51 |
MT`AwAy |
you're on the cart, right? |
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12:53 |
joe_1 |
yes |
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12:53 |
joe_1 |
let me get back to it |
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12:53 |
MT`AwAy |
(I see no openid error message on the cart registration form) |
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12:54 |
joe_1 |
ok i'm on the cart |
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12:55 |
MT`AwAy |
Can you compare with the video I posted ~12 lines before? |
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12:56 |
MT`AwAy |
(sometimes a small video is worth thousand of words) |
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12:57 |
joe_1 |
i'm looking at the video |
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12:57 |
joe_1 |
now the whole kalyhost.com domain is down |
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12:57 |
joe_1 |
The server at www.kalyhost.com is taking too long to respond. |
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12:58 |
MT`AwAy |
Oo |
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12:58 |
MT`AwAy |
you must have a problem with your internet connection |
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12:59 |
joe_1 |
theres nothing wrong with my internet connection |
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13:00 |
joe_1 |
it timed out when i submitted the form; have not seen that before wtih the site. it's working now. |
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13:00 |
MT`AwAy |
there's nothing wrong with my servers either, and Kalyhost works fine from every place I can try from |
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13:00 |
joe_1 |
the fact that the connection timed out when i was submitting the form is a clue that it's throwing off the site |
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13:01 |
MT`AwAy |
mh |
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13:01 |
joe_1 |
do your logs say anything? i've submitted the form about 3 times now |
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13:02 |
joe_1 |
each time, it just reloads. One time I forgot country, and country came back red, but I fixed it, and the same usual result is that it came back with the same form and no message saying i'm logged in or to complete the order. |
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13:02 |
joe_1 |
my procedure is the same as in the video |
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13:03 |
MT`AwAy |
I see no successful registration in the past minutes |
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13:03 |
MT`AwAy |
I'll do a test |
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13:03 |
joe_1 |
any unsuccessful? |
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13:03 |
ne0futur |
joe_1: try with another ISP / another browser ? |
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13:04 |
MT`AwAy |
ne0futur: wait |
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13:05 |
MT`AwAy |
mh |
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13:05 |
MT`AwAy |
works fine |
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13:05 |
MT`AwAy |
joe_1: which browser? |
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13:05 |
joe_1 |
firefox |
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13:05 |
MT`AwAy |
shouldn't be an issue |
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13:05 |
joe_1 |
the lowest vps |
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13:05 |
joe_1 |
bitcoin mode |
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13:06 |
MT`AwAy |
someone else already ordered a vps in bitcoins a while ago without problem |
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13:07 |
MT`AwAy |
gah, let's add some debug to make sure |
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13:07 |
joe_1 |
i mean, do you have any restrictions on the field values? |
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13:07 |
ne0futur |
i just signed up again on https://www.kalyhost.com/register.html |
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13:07 |
joe_1 |
i put the state in as 2 letters |
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13:08 |
ne0futur |
no problem |
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13:08 |
joe_1 |
theres no dashes in the 10 digit phone number |
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13:08 |
MT`AwAy |
joe_1: mind trying again? |
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13:09 |
MT`AwAy |
ne0futur: I see you in the log |
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13:10 |
joe_1 |
OK - just did it again. clicked create. |
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13:10 |
MT`AwAy |
and got the same result I guess, only difference is I got more debug this time |
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13:11 |
joe_1 |
same result here |
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13:11 |
ne0futur |
( also received the signup confirmation email ) |
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13:11 |
joe_1 |
i have no confirmation email |
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13:11 |
ne0futur |
you register on https://www.kalyhost.com/register.html ? |
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13:12 |
ne0futur |
or on another url ? |
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13:12 |
joe_1 |
ok - there's 2 registration places |
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13:12 |
joe_1 |
the first one is on register.html. When i do it there, i get an error about my username not being a valid OpenID |
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13:12 |
joe_1 |
the second registration place is on the cart screen |
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13:12 |
MT`AwAy |
oh, I see |
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13:12 |
MT`AwAy |
it didn't like the _ in the login |
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13:12 |
joe_1 |
when i register there, i click Create and the page reloads with my form data still there, and no messages saying anything succeeded |
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13:12 |
MT`AwAy |
I'll fix the validator |
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13:13 |
joe_1 |
i just tried it without the underscore and i got the same thing |
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13:13 |
joe_1 |
invalid openid |
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13:15 |
joe_1 |
it works on the other one now |
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13:15 |
joe_1 |
wow i can sleep tonight finally |
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13:15 |
MT`AwAy |
I just submitted my fix |
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13:15 |
MT`AwAy |
(and merged it) |
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13:15 |
MT`AwAy |
I guess you got the fixed version (and registered) |
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13:15 |
joe_1 |
i took out the underscore |
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13:15 |
MT`AwAy |
oh |
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13:16 |
joe_1 |
here goes 99 bucks down the drain |
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13:16 |
MT`AwAy |
well, at least it worked |
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13:16 |
joe_1 |
and from what i heard, i have an agonizing 6 confirmation wait ahead of me |
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13:16 |
MT`AwAy |
joe_1: will take ~1h to arrive (6 blocks), then you'll get an email with your VPS ip & password |
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13:16 |
MT`AwAy |
yep |
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13:16 |
joe_1 |
can i do ssh tunnel on it? |
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13:17 |
MT`AwAy |
you can do whatever you want, as long as you follow the rules in the ToS (no sending of spam, no child pornography, and avoid P2P of copyrighted files) |
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13:17 |
joe_1 |
ok |
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13:18 |
MT`AwAy |
btw VPS are in germany |
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13:18 |
joe_1 |
i need it to tunnel i hope it's fast |
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13:19 |
MT`AwAy |
http://test.autovps.net/perl/smokeping.pl <- I run smokeping on one of the vps which shows no lags (usually a slow vps will also have lower pings/packet loss) |
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13:19 |
joe_1 |
if it doesnt work do i get a full/partial refund? |
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13:19 |
MT`AwAy |
joe_1: we can see that if it happens |
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13:20 |
joe_1 |
ok here goes nothing |
|
13:20 |
joe_1 |
get ready to receive |
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13:20 |
MT`AwAy |
ready anytime |
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13:20 |
MT`AwAy |
(the data on the order page is updated every 5min) |
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13:25 |
joe_1 |
ok |
|
13:25 |
joe_1 |
1 confirmation |
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13:25 |
joe_1 |
artforz, can you turn on a few more radeons so i can get this confirmed? |
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13:29 |
joe_1 |
2 confirmations |
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13:30 |
MT`AwAy |
I'm switching to 3 confirmations |
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13:31 |
joe_1 |
3 confirmations!! yes!!!! thank you |
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13:32 |
MT`AwAy |
check is done every 5 minutes, and once my systems sees 3 confirmations, it'll generate your VPS and send you a nice email |
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13:32 |
joe_1 |
i cant wait |
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13:32 |
joe_1 |
i'm refreshing email every 10 seconds |
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13:33 |
MT`AwAy |
it happens every 5 minutes, when the clock is a xx:x0 or xx:x5 exactly |
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13:33 |
MT`AwAy |
so next refresh is in 1 minute 40 secs |
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13:33 |
joe_1 |
ok |
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13:33 |
MT`AwAy |
you can also reload the "order" page |
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13:34 |
MT`AwAy |
the order status will change once payment is confirmed |
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13:34 |
joe_1 |
order page still says unconfirmed, but i'll refresh it at 35 |
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13:34 |
MT`AwAy |
it's 21:34:41 here |
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13:34 |
joe_1 |
ok 19 seconds |
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13:35 |
MT`AwAy |
confirmed |
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13:35 |
MT`AwAy |
arg |
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13:35 |
MT`AwAy |
the mail title is messed up |
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13:36 |
joe_1 |
yeah, the mail does not contain the information |
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13:36 |
MT`AwAy |
fuck |
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13:36 |
MT`AwAy |
the whole mail is messed up |
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13:36 |
MT`AwAy |
let me fix that |
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13:36 |
joe_1 |
it just has tags that seem to be where the information should be |
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13:36 |
MT`AwAy |
yep, I did some modifications last time since I had an issue with bitcoins |
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13:37 |
MT`AwAy |
gah |
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13:37 |
MT`AwAy |
the I18N context is not loaded when the order is confirmed from a different thread |
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13:37 |
MT`AwAy |
found the problem |
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13:37 |
MT`AwAy |
now fixing it |
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13:38 |
MT`AwAy |
joe_1: in the meantime I'll mail you your vps infos |
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13:38 |
joe_1 |
ok |
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13:41 |
MT`AwAy |
sent |
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13:44 |
joe_1 |
thanks |
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13:47 |
MT`AwAy |
and I'll fix this bug so it doesn't happen again |
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13:50 |
MT`AwAy |
(done) |
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14:00 |
joe_1 |
ok |
|
14:00 |
joe_1 |
it works |
|
14:01 |
joe_1 |
my site is up at http://aaa-bbb-ccc-ddd |
|
14:01 |
joe_1 |
now i need to get my domain hooked up to that ip address |
|
14:01 |
joe_1 |
thanks MT you really saved the day |
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14:04 |
MT`AwAy |
joe_1: kalyhost isn't really old yet, so there might be some problems remaining, we'll fix them as soon as someone tells us about it |
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14:05 |
joe_1 |
ok |
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14:06 |
MT`AwAy |
as for the vps itself, it is hosted on a really good network, and shouldn't have any problem |
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14:07 |
joe_1 |
yeah, it does seem fast |
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14:13 |
MT`AwAy |
(my test vps is getting close to 180 days uptime too) |
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14:14 |
joe_1 |
thats good |
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14:15 |
MT`AwAy |
anyway have fun, I'm going to sleep soon (tommorow's monday) |
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14:15 |
joe_1 |
ok |
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14:15 |
joe_1 |
thanks for all the help |
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14:16 |
MT`AwAy |
np |
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14:39 |
Diablo-D3 |
hey guys |
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14:40 |
Diablo-D3 |
what site did ArtForz say he got those ribbon cables at |
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15:12 |
xelister_ |
Diablo-D3: gay-pride.org? |
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15:12 |
xelister_ |
wait, what cables |
|
15:13 |
xelister_ |
;) |
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15:41 |
Diablo-D3 |
the pci-e ones |
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16:15 |
XxMalouinxX |
Flexible PCI-e extender |
|
16:42 |
Diablo-D3 |
hmm this is interesting |
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16:42 |
Diablo-D3 |
I upgraded to 10.10 and my mhash speed is down |
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16:43 |
XxMalouinxX |
do you still need the website for the pci-e extender ? |
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16:43 |
Diablo-D3 |
XxMalouinxX: I was just wondering where art bought them |
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16:44 |
XxMalouinxX |
I don't know about Art, but I took mine on LinITX.com |
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16:46 |
XxMalouinxX |
;estimate |
|
16:46 |
bitbot |
XxMalouinxX: LastDiff(5d 03:17:22 ago) ExpBlocks(739) ActualBlocks(1069) TrgNewDiffDate(2010/11/23 12:29:28 GMT) EstNewDiffDate(2010/11/19 04:59:58 GMT) EstNewDiff(6562.05971608) |
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16:48 |
xelister |
would be better for BC popularity imho |
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16:49 |
xelister |
if we would create more but smaller blocks, or in other way give faster reward small miners |
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16:49 |
xelister |
waiting like a week or 3 weeks for first 50 BTC (when diff goes up) for non-professionall miners ( ;) is unmotivating |
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16:52 |
tcatm |
smaller blocks without transaction are wasted space |
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16:55 |
xelister |
tcatm: or any other way |
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17:06 |
tcatm |
more markets would be better than mining |
|
17:49 |
UukGoblin |
is it ok to run m0mchil's poclbm.py on 2 devices? won't the nonce scanned be the same on both? |
|
17:50 |
tcatm |
from what I've read on the forums it should work |
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18:05 |
UukGoblin |
tcatm, thanks. Now I think about it, bitcoind returns a different block with each 'getwork', even if you issue 2 in the same second |
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18:09 |
brocktice |
;estimate |
|
18:09 |
bitbot |
brocktice: LastDiff(5d 04:40:03 ago) ExpBlocks(748) ActualBlocks(1080) TrgNewDiffDate(2010/11/23 12:29:28 GMT) EstNewDiffDate(2010/11/19 05:12:13 GMT) EstNewDiff(6549.81553629) |
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18:11 |
brocktice |
still on track for mid-6000s I see |
|
19:52 |
theymos |
lfm: You "refunded" my IP transfer to you? Took me a few minutes to figure out why I was receiving a transaction at an address I never created... :-P |
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19:56 |
xelister |
what we need, is bitcoin over freenet imho |
|
19:57 |
theymos |
You could send transactions over Freenet, but the block system requires that all generators be no more than a few seconds away from each other. |
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19:58 |
xelister |
yeah |
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19:58 |
xelister |
best possible lag possible on freenet is 10..60 seconds |
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19:59 |
xelister |
with say 30 second lag, it means that such more hidden bitcoin node would spend 5% (because 10min/0.5 min) time mining a block that is no longer "needed" right? |
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19:59 |
xelister |
but for non-generating nodes, it shouldnt be a problem? |
|
20:00 |
tcatm |
for non-generating nodes there's no need for freenet? |
|
20:02 |
theymos |
xelister: A hidden generator would waste some time, and if a lot of people generate on Freenet there would be more chain splits. |
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20:02 |
theymos |
Non-generators should be able to use it without any problems at all. |
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20:03 |
xelister |
tcatm: if someone would buy medical marichuana |
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20:03 |
xelister |
or if we would watch order online (regular) porn, and he is resident of Arabic country |
|
20:03 |
xelister |
etc |
|
20:04 |
xelister |
theymos: yeah but there is no such setup, is there, to use bitcoin over freenet. So it would be nice if author of bitcoin would implement it |
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20:04 |
tcatm |
can transactions be matched to IPs? |
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20:05 |
theymos |
There is nothing yet. It should be reasonably easy to implement importing and exporting transactions as text, though. |
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20:05 |
xelister |
dunno, but if one of your 8 neighbors is listening then I would suppose so |
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20:05 |
tcatm |
he still can't tell whether the transaction is yours or whether you are forwarding it for someone else |
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20:05 |
theymos |
tcatm: Generally the attacker needs to see everything you receive and transmit. If they can do that, though, it's easy. |
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20:08 |
xelister |
nvidia > radeon |
|
20:08 |
xelister |
for noraml desktop and games use |
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20:08 |
tcatm |
nvidia sucks for normal desktops |
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20:08 |
xelister |
no, radeon sucks |
|
20:08 |
xelister |
in-games brightness controll does not work on radeon, works on nvidia |
|
20:09 |
tcatm |
no way to lock two outputs vsync to prevent tearing on one screen |
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20:09 |
xelister |
scaling of images with resamplong in firefox does not work on radeon, works on nvidia |
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20:09 |
xelister |
resampling |
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20:10 |
xelister |
since I installed radeon, scaled down images in firefox look like shite, like from 1999 year software texture "scalling" with no resamling. NORMAL 2D IMAGES ON ANY AWEBSITE IN FIREFOX. wtf. |
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20:10 |
tcatm |
also, my nvidia defaults to output to vga even if the device connected to it is powered off so my minitor connected via dvi stays blank |
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20:38 |
Maccer |
xelister, isn't that what scaled down images in firefox are supposed to look like? Mine look like they have no filtering. |
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20:39 |
Maccer |
Except when they're enlarged of course. |
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20:39 |
tcatm |
i'd expect filtering when scaling down in a browser |
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20:40 |
sneak |
http://opencores.org/websvn,filedetails?repname=nfhc&path;=%2Fnfhc%2Ftrunk%2Fsha256%2Fsha256.vhdl |
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20:40 |
Maccer |
It looks sharp as shit, it needs super sampling or something |
|
20:42 |
ArtForz |
sneak: now synthesize it, see how many you can fit on a given FPGA and the clocks you'll be able to run |
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20:42 |
nathan7 |
:> |
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20:42 |
sneak |
ArtForz: in time |
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20:42 |
sneak |
other work comes first |
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20:43 |
sneak |
remains to be seen what the performance/watt is |
|
20:43 |
sneak |
vs gpu |
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20:43 |
ArtForz |
better |
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20:43 |
nathan7 |
Who cares, it's damn cool anyway? |
|
20:43 |
nathan7 |
s/\?/ |
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20:43 |
nathan7 |
fahadsadah: pokey |
|
20:43 |
!mode/#bitcoin-dev [+o nathan7] by fahadsadah |
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20:44 |
nathan7 |
pats fahadsadah |
|
20:44 |
ArtForz |
yes, because $1k in FPGAs (chips only, in 1000+ quantities) nearly as fast as a $200 GPU (complete board, single unit price) is *really* exciting |
|
20:44 |
@ Yep |
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20:48 |
Kiba |
hmm |
|
20:49 |
Kiba |
eats food |
|
20:49 |
brocktice |
Especially if your power is essentially free, right ArtForz? |
|
20:49 |
ArtForz |
yup |
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20:49 |
ArtForz |
and the perf/W lead isn't THAT big |
|
20:50 |
brocktice |
I wish confirmations didn't take so long |
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20:50 |
ArtForz |
AMD gpus are suprisingly efficient beasts |
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20:50 |
brocktice |
ArtForz: Now if only they would add good DP support. |
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20:50 |
ArtForz |
huH? |
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20:51 |
brocktice |
Last I heard nVidia had superior DP support in Fermi? |
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20:51 |
ArtForz |
LÖL |
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20:51 |
brocktice |
double precision? |
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20:51 |
ArtForz |
yes, in the tesla cards |
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20:51 |
ArtForz |
GTXes are crippled to 1/4 that |
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20:51 |
brocktice |
Yeah my former lab has a tesla card for that purpose |
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20:52 |
ArtForz |
so, on tesla DP is 1/2 SP perf, on GTX it's 1/8, on 58xx it's 1/5 |
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20:52 |
sneak |
SP? |
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20:53 |
ArtForz |
Single Precision |
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20:54 |
sneak |
oh, i didn't realize there were such slowdowns |
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20:54 |
sneak |
does the current poclbm run on tesla? |
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20:54 |
ArtForz |
who cares? nvidia sucks for integer work. |
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20:55 |
brocktice |
sneak: Yeah it should. |
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20:55 |
brocktice |
But, waste of power. |
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20:56 |
ArtForz |
DP muladd, a tesla 2050 can push 515 GFLOPS, a GTX580 197, a 5870 544, a 5970 928 (!) |
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20:57 |
ArtForz |
for single precision it looks even worse for nv |
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20:58 |
ArtForz |
C2050 1288 GFLOPS, GTX580 1581, 5870 2720, 5970 4640 |
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21:01 |
ArtForz |
so if you can keep the ALUs fed, even at double precision a 5870 can keep up with a C2050 |
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21:02 |
ArtForz |
of course if you *need* the 3-6GB of memory of a tesla, it's pretty much the only option |
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21:06 |
brocktice |
There are some 4 GB 5970s |
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21:07 |
ArtForz |
yep, but as 5970 is dual GPU, thats still "only" 2 GB per GPU |
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21:07 |
brocktice |
ahh right |
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21:08 |
ArtForz |
oh, and for power efficiency... 5970 1.8Mhash/Ws, 5770 1.45Mh/Ws, 4770 0.9Mh/Ws, 4870 0.6Mh/Ws, GTX580 0.5Mh/Ws, GTX460 0.46Mh/Ws, GTX295 0.31Mh/Ws, 9800GT 0.24Mh/Ws |
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21:10 |
brocktice |
Miner is 32% paid off |
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21:10 |
ArtForz |
aka "nvidia is a waste of power and money for mining" |
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21:11 |
brocktice |
We'll see how price and difficulty affect the remainder. |
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21:14 |
xelister |
Maccer: they look totally as shin since siethcned nv to rageon |
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21:14 |
Maccer |
Wut. |
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21:14 |
Maccer |
Oh yeah. |
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21:15 |
xelister |
lets petition OpenCL |
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21:15 |
xelister |
OpenCL 1.3 - include sha256round asm instruction :] |
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21:15 |
xelister |
s/opencl/ati stream |
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21:20 |
xelister |
about fpga, its nonsense |
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21:20 |
xelister |
just think how epic numbers we get now on GPU, 600 M? |
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21:21 |
xelister |
even if we would have FGPA device that calculates sha256, how we would pump such huge datastream to it |
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21:21 |
ArtForz |
you dont have to |
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21:21 |
xelister |
unless its FGPA that does the entire bitcoin search :) |
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21:21 |
xelister |
just send wokrspace parameters and get results/status |
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21:21 |
ArtForz |
hand it a 80 bytes header, it checks 2**32 nonces |
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21:22 |
xelister |
indeed |
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21:22 |
ArtForz |
and reports back all nonces where H == 0 |
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21:22 |
ArtForz |
external bandwidth is not the problem |
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21:23 |
ArtForz |
the huge fucking amount of registers and logic is |
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21:23 |
xelister |
production price indeed |
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21:25 |
ArtForz |
for a non-pipelined bitcoinhash engine you need at least 16 32-bit regs for data, another 8 for state, 10 32-bit adders, 15 32-bit 2-input boolean functions |
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21:26 |
ArtForz |
and that gets you one hash every 122 clocks |
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21:26 |
xelister |
who worked for CIA? Otto Von Bolschwing, one of creator of the plan to exterminate the Jews in II world war. And other nasists. God bless america ;) |
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21:27 |
xelister |
just off-topic, about yesterdays talks about usa government. ^ jgarzik and diablo is not here |
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21:30 |
xelister |
according to New York Times, Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ in U.S., Report Says <-- http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html |
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22:16 |
OneFixt |
I made a trade on BCM but am not getting the payment info in email, is this normal? |
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22:16 |
ArtForz |
happens sometimes |
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22:16 |
OneFixt |
Should I wait or send an email? |
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22:16 |
ArtForz |
stupid q: did you check your spam folder? |
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22:17 |
OneFixt |
Yep, and I've had BCM emails go through before. |
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22:17 |
ArtForz |
yeah, I know that one |
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22:17 |
ArtForz |
sometimes the mail magically shows up after a few hours, if it doesnt contact dwdollar |
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22:17 |
OneFixt |
Ok, thanks. |
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22:18 |
ArtForz |
dw should really add an option to get the same payment details as in the mail from your "trades" page :/ |
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22:20 |
ArtForz |
that way people could trade even with the mail getting lost |
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22:22 |
dwdollar1 |
That's going to be in the new website. People are probably getting tired of that answer though. :-D |
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22:22 |
dwdollar1 |
OneFixt: Is this for trade 1191? |
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22:23 |
OneFixt |
dwdollar1: Yep. |
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22:24 |
dwdollar1 |
Looks like it bounced because it has 'http://pecunix.com/' in the contents... :/ |
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22:24 |
OneFixt |
wow... |
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22:24 |
dwdollar1 |
anti-spam bot caught it I guess |
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22:24 |
OneFixt |
Guess so =( |
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22:24 |
ArtForz |
yeah, sounds like it :/ |
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22:25 |
dwdollar1 |
I'll send a copy without the link. |
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22:25 |
OneFixt |
Ok, thanks a lot. |
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23:07 |
jrabbit |
:( github is down |
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23:28 |
appamatto |
Howdy all |
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23:29 |
appamatto |
github is down!? |
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23:29 |
appamatto |
That's a disaster |
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23:30 |
MT`AwAy |
was bound to happen |
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23:31 |
MT`AwAy |
(that's why you should never rely 100% on free services to host your code) |
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23:31 |
appamatto |
well, I'd consider it a disaster if they lost data |
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23:31 |
Kiba |
MT`AwAy: you can pay for hosting |
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23:31 |
Kiba |
but that's not the point. Any services will experience unexpected downtime |
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23:31 |
Kiba |
it's going to happen |
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23:32 |
appamatto |
Since I think a lot of people use free github to store data |
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23:32 |
appamatto |
instead of paying for their own server |
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23:32 |
Kiba |
what ya going to do when your own server goes down? |
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23:32 |
Kiba |
do you really want the task of maintaining your own server? |
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23:32 |
appamatto |
I had an idea for a bitcoin-like DNS system. Basically, each generating block allows you to define a new name, and transactions are remappings of the names to ip addresses |
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23:33 |
xelister |
DANGER |
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23:33 |
xelister |
and sidekick |
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23:33 |
appamatto |
do you think a name system like that would work? |
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23:34 |
xelister |
appamatto: ok, I take 10,000 names for starters |
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23:34 |
MT`AwAy |
Kiba: the idea is to have, for example, a mirror of you github data on your server |
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23:34 |
appamatto |
xelister, is that a vote of confidence? :p |
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23:34 |
MT`AwAy |
usually both have less chances of being down |
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23:34 |
MT`AwAy |
(at the same time) |
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23:35 |
Kiba |
MT`AwAy: cost money |
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23:35 |
xelister |
it would work if creation of new name costs say 50 BTC, and transfer costs 10 (to be given to author of text block or somethin) |
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23:35 |
appamatto |
could the two systems inter-operate? |
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23:35 |
appamatto |
I was just thinking that the bitcoin model does a great job of getting rid of governing bodies |
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23:35 |
Kiba |
interesting |
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23:36 |
Kiba |
the evolution of a crypto-economy |
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23:36 |
xelister |
name price per length: 1char/10,000 2char/1,000 3char/500 4char/200 5char/100 6+char/50btc |
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23:36 |
xelister |
although |
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23:36 |
xelister |
no wait. there should be an auction system. distributed |
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23:36 |
Kiba |
do price readjust? |
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23:36 |
appamatto |
xelister, why not just allow mining for arbitrary names? |
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23:36 |
appamatto |
I don't see why (or how) btc could become involved |
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23:36 |
xelister |
everyone would want to buy linux.bitcoin or oral.bitcoin |
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23:37 |
xelister |
appamatto: so evetyone would "mine" linux.bitcoin |
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23:37 |
appamatto |
I think what happens is that the miner can get a free name of their choice, and then sell it to whomever |
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23:37 |
appamatto |
that's okay, isn't it? |
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23:38 |
MT`AwAy |
transactions would have to carry the name, which would be a 1~63 bytes payload |
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23:38 |
xelister |
GOOD NEWS |
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23:38 |
MT`AwAy |
and we'd need a specific kind of transaction to hold the name's ip (or dns infos) |
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23:38 |
xelister |
.bc TLD is free |
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23:39 |
Kiba |
xelister: so, you're going to write code for this? |
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23:39 |
MT`AwAy |
xelister: if you have 125000$ we can make it a reality |
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23:39 |
xelister |
125kusd for TLD? |
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23:39 |
appamatto |
MT, I was thinking that this is an entirely separate system with basically the same structure as bitcoin |
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23:39 |
appamatto |
so, there would be a DNS block chain |
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23:39 |
MT`AwAy |
appamatto: yep, but if this system uses a similar block/transaction system, blocks are going to get huge really fast |
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23:40 |
appamatto |
Why? For one, you can't have multiple i/o for a DNS transaction |
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23:40 |
appamatto |
just an address, an ip, and a name |
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23:41 |
appamatto |
instead of multiple addresses, source transactions, amounts, etc. |
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23:42 |
appamatto |
and transactions are much easier to forget in this block chain because each transaction completely eliminates a previous transaction |
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23:42 |
MT`AwAy |
"forget" ? |
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23:42 |
MT`AwAy |
mh |
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23:42 |
appamatto |
forgetting is when you can delete blocks because all of the transactions in them have been used up |
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23:42 |
MT`AwAy |
yep |
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23:43 |
appamatto |
I guess every source transaction is already completely consumed in btc |
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23:43 |
MT`AwAy |
can bitcoin really "forget" past "used up" blocks without consequences? |
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23:44 |
appamatto |
yeah |
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23:44 |
theymos |
Bitcoin can also forget spent transactions. |
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23:44 |
lfm |
MT`AwAy, it has a slight danger cuz someone might send another transaction to the old address |
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23:44 |
MT`AwAy |
yep |
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23:44 |
appamatto |
theymos, what do you think about that bitDNS idea? |
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23:45 |
lfm |
so you shouldnt forget addresses unless you're really sure. old transactions dont matter tho |
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23:46 |
appamatto |
I wonder if the bitcoin block chain could be generalized to support any number of bit-x systems |
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23:46 |
ArtForz |
yes |
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23:46 |
ArtForz |
it's a distributed timestamping system |
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23:46 |
appamatto |
since the block chain can be used in general to synchronize and authorize any number of worldwide systems |
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23:47 |
theymos |
appamatto: It could probably work. Each block generates a domain, and then you can transfer domains with transactions. |
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23:47 |
lfm |
hwo do you reward people for generating blocks, or do you need to? |
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23:47 |
MT`AwAy |
lfm: people generating dig for a specific domain they have in mind |
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23:47 |
MT`AwAy |
s/dig/mine |
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23:47 |
appamatto |
or for a name with a pending request |
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23:47 |
appamatto |
i.e. a name they think they can sell quickly |
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23:48 |
appamatto |
theymos, yeah |
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23:48 |
MT`AwAy |
however this makes taking requests for a given name difficult |
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23:49 |
appamatto |
there would be an emergent system surrounding these miners. For instance, btc kept in escrow that is guaranteed to pay for creation of a given name |
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23:50 |
theymos |
BitDNS could be built on Bitcoin's chain pretty easily, I think. Just use special messages along with OP_DROP in transactions. |
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23:50 |
jrabbit |
huh don't you mean just using dns stucture to organize names -> addresses? |
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23:51 |
MT`AwAy |
appamatto: I think there's a problem there: what happens to those btc if someone buys a domain? |
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23:51 |
appamatto |
yes |
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23:51 |
jrabbit |
or is this somethin absurd |
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23:51 |
jrabbit |
well theres no need to modify bitcoin. |
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23:51 |
jrabbit |
just run a service |
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23:52 |
lfm |
seems like there would be no way to enforce trademarks or any such. if someone doesnt want to sell they dont have to |
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23:52 |
appamatto |
MT, you prove that you mined the name, then the btc is forwarded to an address of your choice and your name is remapped in the next block to the buyer |
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23:52 |
appamatto |
lfm, that's very true. It would basically be a 'free' version of the current DNS |
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23:52 |
MT`AwAy |
appamatto: so people would be able to "mine" already bought names to get the BTC for those |
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23:52 |
theymos |
lfm: Trademarks shouldn't exist, anyway. |
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23:52 |
appamatto |
no, you can't create a name that's already in the bitDNS block chain |
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23:53 |
appamatto |
but yes, you can mine google.com |
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23:53 |
anarchyx |
its still a risk for single point of failure, having a central authority coordingating dns |
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23:53 |
lfm |
theymos, hehe well I can see some people arguing with that! not me, not here |
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23:53 |
appamatto |
anarchyx, there is no central authority, it's exactly like bitcoin |
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23:53 |
anarchyx |
someone needs to obtain and control the .bc no? |
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23:53 |
appamatto |
anarchyx, oh those are two separate ideas |
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23:54 |
anarchyx |
oh ok |
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23:54 |
MT`AwAy |
appamatto: ok so I'm back to the original problem, if you have "BTC kept in escrow that is guaranteed to pay for creation of a given name", what happens to those BTC if you buy a domain? |
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23:54 |
anarchyx |
then im not following correctly :) |
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23:54 |
appamatto |
one idea someone had is to buy and dole out .bc, another idea was to have a separate block chain dedicated to mining and transferring names |
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23:54 |
theymos |
In this case the generation rate might really be a problem. What if more than 6 sites per hour are desired? |
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23:55 |
jrabbit |
look at openNIC |
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23:55 |
lfm |
theymos, use subdomains till you can get the main one you want |
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23:55 |
appamatto |
theymos, it might be 50 per block, for example. but yeah, that certainly might drive the price of names |
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23:55 |
jrabbit |
they run a seperate DNS group with unofficial TLDs |
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23:55 |
jrabbit |
wtf "price of names" |
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23:55 |
jrabbit |
this isn't complicated. |
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23:55 |
appamatto |
MT, what do you mean? |
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23:56 |
jrabbit |
you run an NIC and dole out names as requested |
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23:56 |
jrabbit |
people who want to use it can add it as a DNS thing or it can be worked into the client |
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23:56 |
MT`AwAy |
appamatto: I asked you earlier about "taking requests for domain" and you told me about using bitcoins to acquire a domain, or am I mistaken? |
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23:57 |
appamatto |
yes |
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23:57 |
appamatto |
those two systems are separate though, with escrows in between coordinating the exchange |
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23:57 |
MT`AwAy |
appamatto: since there is a limited amount of bitcoins on the network, if not someone but something gets bitcoins how is it going to resell those to put them back in the market? |
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23:58 |
appamatto |
MT, btc is money |
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23:58 |
lfm |
MT`AwAy, btc to acquire a domain is for name that have already been created. the escrow is for name not yet created |
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23:58 |
appamatto |
basically the escrow exists to provide the miner with assurance that his mined names will actually be sold |
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23:59 |
MT`AwAy |
ok, so that's only for existing domains, if someone wants a domain nobody ever mined he can only hope someone will mine it since he's not running CUDA |
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23:59 |
anarchyx |
what if we just allow mapping to dns.. so if you have shoestore.com you could have customers pay to it, by creating a dns entry for bitcoin.shoestore.com that cnames to 19zZrreaEe59X.shoestore.com (there is no support for upper/lowercase though so we might have to put that into a TXT record instead of an A record) |
